Being an engineer I followed the math easily but also really appreciated the common language descriptions too. This astronomically high amount of pressure varies across different handgun calibers. Let’s find out. And can see the value of the X-Carry. The P239 is single-stack and conceals even easier but is limited to 8+1 with flush mag. The heavier a bullet and the more powder charge used to send it flying at higher velocities, the more the gun recoils. Both have practically the same frame dimensions, the same exact magazine capacity, the same frame and slide material, the same SA/DA trigger pull weight, and the same number of rifling grooves and rifling length of twist. Thanks for the clear and informative article. However, the numbers only present half of the equation – there is no substitute for hands-on experience. Thanks for the info. The recoil spring won’t let the slide rest in its rearward position so it pushes the slide forward (or it pulls it back to its original position, whichever way you want to look at it), and on its way to full battery the slide snags a fresh cartridge protruding from the lip of the magazine and pushes it into the chamber, thus completing the whole cycle. Next to that for mid size hand gun I pick glock 23 9 mm not as much knock down power but very lite to carry close to my sig 40 great accuracy and not to big to carry.. Great Article. Let’s do things a little differently. What if we compare the recoil velocity between a SIG P226 chambered for the 9mm and a SIG P229 chambered for the .40 S&W? On the fence on whether to get a 226 or 229 – was slightly leaning toward 229, thanks for making the decision easy. Outstanding, I always wanted a 226, but after reading this I went for the 229 in .40 S&W. Thanks A firearms and ballistics enthusiast and an outdoorsman, Mike is one of Gun News Daily's best contributing authors. The only body parts that get punished a lot when shooting heavy-recoiling handguns are the strong hand (not so much the supporting hand) — specifically that web between the thumb and the index finger, and the wrist. But we also know that a shorter grip won’t print easily, so guns with shorter grips will be easier to carry concealed. And finally came the Sig Sauer P229, which is virtually the same as the P228 nut chambered for the .40 Smith & Wesson cartridge. That’s a ~13.8% difference in recoil velocity between the two. But if for some reason, you have ginormous hands and you think you won’t get a solid purchase on the smaller grip, the P226 will be the better option. Some speculate that the P229 was the firearm that the caliber was designed for originally, but there’s nothing 100% there. When a hammer-fired semi-automatic handgun’s trigger is pulled, the spring-loaded hammer is released by the trigger’s sear to hit the firing pin which strikes the chambered cartridge’s primer. To be honest I’d buy both if I had the money (if only for bragging rights lol). But it simply means the .40 S&W is a potent round and will have more felt recoil compared to a 9mm when fired from a mid-size pistol. Glad you liked this article. So, I am in the prosess of buying a handgun, and I've done my research and was happy with buying the p07, but then my grandfather told me he wanted to sell his Sig P228, which granted is a great pistol. I happen to own variants of both (226 Elite Enhanced & 229 Scorpion, in 9mm), and my experience with them MOSTLY mirrors the data presented. This may be obvious, but of the three pistols the P229 is the Goldilocks model; not too big to carry IWB and not too small to comfortably handle recoil. The handgun is then ready for another shot. From your article, it sounds like I may have. It pushes the slide rearward so it can do its job — eject the spent case and re-cock the hammer (thereby indirectly putting tension to the main spring). Specs on the standard model follow: In addition to a choice of three different chamberings, you may choose either plain fixed or night sights, conventional DA/SA action or a double action only version called DAK, and a wide variety of finishes, including stainless, flat dark earth and two-tone. So it looks like the P226 has two things going for it, while the P229 only has one. In round 1, we discussed the differences between the Glock 22 and the Glock 23. If the bottom part of it is sealed off, assuming it’s a Kydex holster it should be easy to reshape it with a heat gun. These magazines have an 18 round capacity, 5 more than the standard Sig factory P228 or P229 13 round magazine and 3 more than Mec-Gar's flush fitting 15 round magazines. Your email address will not be published. Great article! Join 70,000 Readers For Our Weekly Discounts. The P229 is of course easier to get. Love them both. Just so you’ll have an easier time deciding, let’s see how having a longer slide and barrel and more weight will favor the P226 as far as recoil control in all of the three handgun calibers it will chamber. Check out www.bachmangun.com and www.gunsamerica.com The balance of facts (data) and personal insight is refreshing. But both pistols can be bought chambered in one of three different handgun calibers: 9mm, .357 SIG and .40 S&W. What if we compare the recoil velocity between a SIG P226 chambered for the 9mm and a SIG P229 chambered for the .40 S&W? If it’s a leather holster though, reshaping might be a bit more difficult. The same force will send the SIG P229 flying 14.32 feet in a second. Really appreciate you reading through the entire article. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. The only real differences between them are their barrel, slide and sight radius lengths. P229's can use preban P226 and P228 Magazines, so the Sig can easily be a full capacity pistol. Very helpful. Post navigation ← Previous sig p225 vs p229. As the bullet is pushed out of the cartridge and out of the muzzle, it pushes the slide in the opposite direction — towards the person holding the gun (take note of this part too). Mike, congrats on a well written piece…physics don’t lie. The Glock 19 is a striker-fired pistol, with no external hammer. The heavier a gun is, the less it recoils. That’s a ~13.8% difference in recoil velocity between the two. But I found it too heavy and bulky to easily conceal. Truly a work of art, smooth as silk to fire and deadly accurate. P229 Classic Carry (Talo) and the M11-A1 are the same money, the P226 is $100 more. World renowned and the choice for many of the premier global military, law … Again, this means there is negligible recoil difference between the two handguns when both are chambered for the same handgun caliber. Well, for this round, both SIG Sauer pistols being compared have the same magazine capacity despite one being a tad smaller than the other. Keep your powder dry. In the first four rounds of our Handgun Showdown series, we’ve been comparing different Glock pistols, then in round 5 we compared two Saturday Night Specials both manufactured by Cobra Enterprises. For the best deal find a local FFL who'll do the transfer and then locate the pistol yourself. That’s what’s so different this time. This means if you’re comfortable shooting a full-size 9mm pistol and you decided to try a mid-size .40 S&W, you might find it harder to shoot the mid-size pistol as fast and as accurate. The P229 differs from its cousin the P226 in several respects, and was originally introduced to supplement and then replace the P228 by adding the .357 SIG and .40 S&W as available chamberings. Well, for this round, both SIG Sauer pistols being compared have the same magazine capacity despite one being a tad smaller than the other. Sig-Sauer P225 Auto Pistol (Photo: Pinterest) The Sig Sauer P228 came next, a compact pistol, smaller than the other members of the family but with a 13-round magazine capacity. The Sig Sauer P226 is a semi-automatic 9mm pistol that has been in use with the US Navy SEALs since the early 1980s.. The P226 cost less per pistol than the 92F, but SIG's pa… Extremely well done comparison. [citation needed] According to a GAO report, Beretta was awarded the M9 contract for the 92F due to a lower total package price. So what gives? To spare everyone all the headache from trying to make sense of it, I view recoil velocity as how fast the gun would move upon recoil when fired from an open space(like if it was hanging in the air and it wouldn’t be affected by any type of friction), while I view recoil energy as that force I feel in my hands whenever I fire a gun. I have heard I should be looking at glocks, but I found the Sig P229 more comfortable in my hand and actually revolvers even a bit more. Mec-Gar now uses a newly designed follower and marks their adapter as being a +3 adapter. Charles, thanks for reading. I had a P228 for awhile, currently I have a P220, P226, and a P2340 in 357SIG. Glad I could help. Over all fantastic article it should help out those who are not sure. I would love to see a comprehensive (all current production models) web-based application that allowed users to compare any two handguns, with guidance written in this style. So it looks like the P226 has two things going for it, while the P229 only has one. -Mike, I read the article even though I already own or have owned both of these. The same force will send the SIG P229 flying 14.32 feet in a second. They just couldn’t keep replacing sigs every few months when seals lost their sidearms in the field during combat. Width: 1.5in. CZ P-07 vs Sig P228/P229. So what gives? P226 mags fit the P229 just fine. Thanks for reading through the article. This means if you’re comfortable shooting a full-size 9mm pistol and you decided to try a mid-size .40 S&W, you might find it harder to shoot the mid-size pistol as fast and as accurate. There’s always more than a few ways to solve a problem. As was mentioned, you really need to get them in your hand, along with some of the other models to know whats best for you. You browse through SIG Sauer’s website and find out that the P226 has a smaller compact brother (technically, “compact” in these contexts is incorrect — it’s supposed to be labeled “mid-size”) called the P229. Thank you for bringing level-headeness to the forefront. To spare everyone all the headache from trying to make sense of it, I view recoil velocity as how fast the gun would move upon recoil when fired from an open space (like if it was hanging in the air and it wouldn’t be affected by any type of friction), while I view recoil energy as that force I feel in my hands whenever I fire a gun. Both are practically the same pistols chambered for the .40 S&W. I really appreciated your thoroughness. Due to the fact that the relatively smaller SIG P229 has the same ammo capacity as the SIG P226, and there is very negligible difference between the two handguns as far as handling and recoil control, I don’t see the point in buying a SIG P226. those that use lighter 9mm bullets (80-gr. We all know that a handgun with longer slide and a longer barrel will have a relatively softer recoil, and better recoil control will result to faster re-acquisition of sights and faster follow-up shots. To conclude, the P229 is, more or less, a compact P226, with access to 9mm Parabellum, .40 S&W and the aforementioned .357 SIG. For all the people out there who have trouble with Physics or Math, I created some charts to better illustrate these points. Here’s a link to an article which, while not necessarily for beginners per se, might make a lot of sense considering its target audience: https://gunnewsdaily.com/10-best-handguns-women/. I can see the benefits of a single action handgun and wanted to get Your thoughts on making that switch? I was thinking about the mk25 just because it is a full size, with the navy anchor engraved I think looks cool. After reading a bunch of articles about the two pistols, yours is definately the “cherry on the cake”, considering there are some really tiny specs differences between the two when shooting and carrying, my choice goes to the P229 Legion model. What if we compare the recoil velocity between a SIG P226 chambered for the 9mm and a SIG P229 chambered for the .40 S&W? It is used by the United States Military under the designation M11 and has also spawns a variant, the P229, which has been built with a slide designed to withstand higher pressures so it can chamber .357 SIG and .40 S&W. Instead of the squared, front hook-style guard on SIG Sauer's classics, the curved contour given to the P228 and the M11 continues with the SIG Sauer M11-A1. The P229 slide is machined from a billet of stainless steel and then blackened to match the frame. That is quite a bit of felt recoil. mags and use the P226 20rd. There are a few ways to help your wife with recoil. I prefer the 357 sig of the 3 calibers. Great artical! The consistent ~13.9% recoil velocity difference between the SIG P226 and SIG P229 is relatively low when comparing recoil velocities from the same handgun caliber. We can also see that the weight of a firearm is inversely proportional to recoil. The primer then ignites the powder charge in the cartridge. When a hammer-fired semi-automatic handgun’s trigger is pulled, the spring-loaded hammer is released by the trigger’s sear to hit the firing pin which strikes the chambered cartridge’s primer. About Us | Write For Us | Advertise| Terms and Conditions | Privacy Policy | Disclaimer Policy And FTC Affiliate Disclosure |. -Mike. We can also see that the weight of a firearm is inversely proportional to recoil. I don't care much for the SS slide on the P229. To get an idea of the application, try visiting CameraDecision.com A similar app for handguns would likely be a winner with both users and advertisers. I personally wouldn’t want my wife carrying a subcompact 9mm — she’s been complaining about possibly having carpal tunnel syndrome so I wouldn’t want her carrying anything more powerful than a handgun in .380 ACP. If we compare recoil velocities between a SIG P229 chambered for the .40 S&W (17.29 fps) and the same SIG P229 chambered for the 9mm (14.32 fps), the difference is ~17.17% in recoil velocity. P228 and P229 The P229 DA/SA is one of the most popular SIG SAUER ® pistols and carried by thousands of law enforcement professionals throughout the country. FYI Air Marshalls use the P226 in 357 sig. Both the SIG P226 and P229 will handle recoil well. The 3D X-ray sights are also very different than the Sig Sig Light Night sights, and require a different sight picture. The slide absorbs some of the force of recoil by ejecting the empty cartridge and re-cocking the hammer. Even the little difference in recoil can be a considerable difference for them. It makes sense with the .357 SIG first being offered for the P229. Hope you like it. One more thought…IMMHO, my perfect gun that would make the angels sing if I Sig ever made one would be a P229 Rx Legion, single stack with a SA triger….just sayin.. Posted on February 16, 2021 by February 16, 2021 by Dave, thanks for reading. We can also see that the .357 SIG and the .40 S&W have about the same recoil energy. We get a difference of ~28.68% in recoil velocities. Ultimately, the 226 just fits better and returns to index faster, whereas the 229 conceals better. Does this mean the P226 is going to be the better option? This means there won’t be much difference in accuracy and sight re-acquisition when shooting any of the three handgun calibers using the same mid-size pistol. So I may pass on purchasing the p226. Simply put, recoil energy to me is what other people call “felt recoil”. Since you didn’t specify the caliber she’s interested in, it’ll be hard to make recommendations for her. I had an opportunity to buy a new P226 for a great deal, and so I bought it. Note: This magazine has a plastic extension as part of the tube at the bottom to limit the capacity to 10 rounds. If you’ve only ever shot full-size 9mm handguns and you’re looking to buy your first handgun in .40 S&W, you might find the SIG P229’s recoil unpleasant, maybe even painful if you’re recoil-shy. A longer sight radius will also result in more accurate shots. The slightly longer barrel, slide and sight radius of the P226 making the gun a bit more accurate still holds true, but only to a small extent. Alternatively you can have her read through another article I wrote: https://gunnewsdaily.com/10-best-handguns-women/. My wife has a 226 MK25 and absolutely loves it and does very well shooting it. I appreciate your in depth review, but offer up that you didn’t consider the shooter with the lesser strength grip, i.e. Operation – Semiautomatic, mechanically locked, recoil operated Trigger – Double-action/single-action, or double-action only Safety – Patented automatic firing-pin lock Caliber – 9mm Luger Length, overall – 7.1″ Height, overall – 5.4″ Width, overall – 1.5″ Barrel length – 3.9″ Rifling twist – 1 in 10″ Rifling grooves – 6 Sight radius – 5.7″ Weight, w/o magazine – 26.1 oz Weight, empty magazine – 3.0 oz Trigger pull – DA 12 lbs., SA 4.5 lbs Magazine capacity – 13 rounds I’ve been eyeing up the Legion P229 SAO. https://www.usacarry.com/colt-defender-9mm-1911-review/. Hello. The glock 19 was simply a less expensive dust collector to keep on a shelf in an armory. Comparing two SIG P229s, one chambered for .40 S&W and the other chambered for 9mm, we get a difference of 31.39% in recoil energy. Because this pressure varies depending on a few things, let’s look at how each of the handgun calibers would recoil when fired from either handgun. Simply put, recoil energy to me is what other people call “felt recoil”. The SIG P229 E2 T&E sample I received has a 12-pound double-action and six-pound single-action trigger pull (though it’s officially listed by SIG as ten pounds DA and 4.4 pounds SA). We’ll not be including the .357 SIG this time because its recoil velocities are pretty much the same as the .40 S&W’s. If you’re comfortable with the .40 S&W’s or the .357 SIG’s recoil, it won’t matter which pistol you choose. As the bullet is pushed out of the cartridge and out of the muzzle, it pushes the slide in the opposite direction — towards the person holding the gun (take note of this part too). That was a mistake. But we also know that a shorter grip won’t print easily, so guns with shorter grips will be easier to carry concealed. Doing the same math for .357 SIG, the force of the recoil from shooting the .357 SIG will send the SIG P226 flying 14.78 feet in a second, and the same force will send the SIG P229 flying 17.18 feet in a second, a ~13.9% difference in recoil velocity between the two pistols. The consistent ~13.9% recoil velocity difference between the SIG P226 and SIG P229 is relatively low when comparing recoil velocities from the same handgun caliber. Add more weight and bulk. I bought the 229. I will show this to her and it will help in her considerations. Glaser Safety Slugs and 75-gr. This is exactly the debate I am having with myself right now. Required fields are marked *. From the table above, we can see that a bullet’s weight and velocity and the powder charge used are all directly proportional to both recoil. Length: 7.1 in. If we compare recoil velocities between a SIG P229 chambered for the .40 S&W (17.29 fps) and the same SIG P229 chambered for the 9mm (14.32 fps), the difference is ~17.17% in recoil velocity. Great article! The heavier a bullet and the more powder charge used to send it flying at higher velocities, the more the gun recoils. Buy Sig Sauer P229 Magazines Factory replacement gun parts, accessories and gunsmithing service on most manufacturers including Browning, Winchester, FN America, Beretta, Benelli Franchi, Stoeger, Remington, Bushmaster, Marlin, Sig Sauer, HK and many more. As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases. I would appreciate any advice you may have as i really enjoyed this article and would love to read more articles by you. I went to that website and I can’t agree more. Thanks. 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